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Dall Island[edit]

How is the figure "Canada – United States: 140 m (460 ft)", at the southern tip of Dall Island, obtained?
As far as I could search, Point A is the southernmost point of Dall Island, resulting in a Zero meters land border.
Can someone add additional details about it? Thank you in advance Luis wiki (talk) 15:30, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Unnamed rock in the Little Green Islands archipelago[edit]

Technically the unnamed rock at 46°51′35″N 56°05′57″W in the Green Island archipelago in Fortune Bay (https://maps.wikimedia.org/#12/46.8605/-56.1099) is, according to Google Maps, divided between Canada and Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France). Luis wiki (talk) 15:16, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

the border of Ukraine[edit]

The border of Ukraine is much longer-5638 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Border_of_Ukraine

Land?[edit]

The table lists Canada's border as 8,893 km. At Canada – United States border, you can see the international border lengths of all of the states that border Canada. If you add up these lengths, you arrive at 8,890 km (Alaska 2,475 + Michigan 1,160 + Maine 983 + Minnesota 880 + Montana 877 + New York 716 + Washington 687 + North Dakota 499 + Ohio 235 + Vermont 145 + New Hampshire 93 + Idaho 72 + Pennsylvania 68). This is pretty much in line with what is listed in the table. It is probably off due to rounding. But, that isn't my point. My point is much of Canada's 8,893 km of border is on water, not land. All of Michigan's 1,160 km of border is on water, all of Ohio's 235 km of border is on water, all of Pennsylvania's 68 km of border is on water, most of Minnesota's 880 km of border is on water, most of New York's 716 km of border is on water, and some of Washington's 687 km of border is on water. Canada's border length, therefore, is way overstated. 198.212.237.48 (talk) 10:26 am, 23 March 2011, Wednesday (4 months, 12 days ago) (UTC−7)

I believe borders on lakes, rivers, and other internal waters count as "land borders". There should be something in the intro to clear that up. Thanks for pointing it out. --Lasunncty (talk) 1:35 pm, 23 March 2011, Wednesday (4 months, 12 days ago) (UTC−7)
Thanks. Yes, I just got tripped up by this for the Tanzania-DROC border. The data in the table is misleading without this definition. Bderrett (talk) 22:52, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Oops, I guess that clarification never got made. Anyway, it is done now. --Lasunncty (talk) 10:22, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Maritime neighbors[edit]

Why not include maritime neighbors? Iggi 01:35, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Well, two reasons, really. First, because the list currently in was generated by a script that ran over the CIA pages, which doesn't contain that information (as far as I can see) and secondly, because I'm clueless as to what a maritime neighbor is. The old page had it, but I haven't yet overcome my laziness to merge the info from the old page into my "complete" list (which, as I said, was generated from scratch.). If you could point me to a place where I can get such info, I'll see what I can do. --gcbirzan (talk) 03:57, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
This list deals with land borders. Perhaps you can start a list on maritime borders, which is controversial because some countries are still in disagreement on where lies the border between high sea and EEZ. --Kvasir (talk) 21:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Land borders should be only those cases where the land for each territory is in contact with other land. Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan are not considered to have a land border (the Caspian Sea is between them). Neither should the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Tanzania (Lake Tanganyika). I'd also argue that Botswana and Zambia do not have a land border. My test for if there is a land border between two territories that have only water between them is, is there a bridge or tunnel that spans the gap? If so, then there is a land border. Denmark-Sweden (bridge), Bahrain-Saudi Arabia (bridge), France-United Kingdom (tunnel). Because you can get from one to another via land transport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.25.69.49 (talk) 19:53, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Relevant point, but lakes and rivers are treated as land when it comes to borders. As for the Caspian Sea, its status as either lake or sea is currently disputed. --Lasunncty (talk) 08:31, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

European Union[edit]

Regarding Saccerzd's question posted in the edit history: The EU is an international organization and thus not a sovereign state. This entity borders the states and dependencies listed under the letter "E", plus - technically - also Brazil, Suriname and the Netherlands Antilles (on the island of Saint Martin). :] //Big Adamsky 00:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Indian border[edit]

The Indian government maintains that it has a border with Afghanistan, since it believes the POK is a part of Indian Kashmir and POK has a northwestern border with Afghan. Should this be added too as a note since the featured article India talks about this oft ignored fact? Idleguy 08:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

How are border lengths measured?[edit]

In light of the work done by Mandelbrot in his paper How Long Is the Coast of Britain? Statistical Self-Similarity and Fractional Dimension and the work done by Lewis Fry Richardson, it seems that this article should mention how the borders are measured and what scale of measurement is used. I'm a little confused because it seems to me that stating a country's border as being x kilometres means nothing unless these things are specified. 18.248.5.226 05:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Neutral territories[edit]

A number of countries do not actually border each other directly as there is a neutral territory between them, sometimes armed by UN forces. Examples of these are on Cyprus, Korea, UNDOF Zone, between Lebanon and Israel, between Gilbraltar and Spain, etc. How or should these be reflected? --Kvasir 06:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

European Union[edit]

How can Spain border Morocco, and Morocco border Spain - but the European Union not border Morocco? I always thought Spain was a full member of the European Union? 58.160.120.16 07:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC) The part of Spain in Europe is part of the European Union, but does not border Morocco. The part of Spain in Africa borders Morocco, but is not part of the European Union. (Except for one part of France in South America, the European Union includes only land in Europe and islands. It does not include all parts of every member state.) 71.109.150.54 (talk) 22:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC) Disregard my previous comment. I was wrong. Melilla and Ceuta are part of the European Union, even though they are in Africa. 71.109.150.54 (talk) 01:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Mongolia/Russia Border[edit]

Interesting to note that according to this list, Mongolia has a border of 3,543km with Russia, whilst in return, Russia has a border of only 3,485km! Sacre bleu! How can this be? Who created this list - and would you care to explain where exactly these 58km go? jkm 19:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Probably different sources. It's impossible to measure this exactly, because borders are not straight. --2.245.88.139 (talk) 13:53, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

recent edit[edit]

Hello all,

I've done a big edit recently. Because of this, I think its fair I outline what I did. Here we go:

  • The islands of Bassas da India, Europa Island, Glorioso Islands, Juan de Nova Island, and Tromelin Island were listed separately. This is incorrect. Since February 2007, these islands are a part of the French Southern and Antarctic Lands.
  • In the same month, Saint Barthelemy and French Saint Martin spilt from Guadeloupe. This reduced the length of their border from 10.4 km to zero. Also this reduced the number of countries that bordered all of France from 11 to 10.
  • Saint Barthelemy and French Saint Martin have been added. The change in Guadeloupe's border goes to French Saint Martin.
  • I have also fixed the status of the other French territories. The edit of Clipperton Island's status is based of a recent change to ISO 3166-2. - Thanks, Hoshie 12:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo[edit]

Kosovo is an independent and sovereign state. Therefore, it should appear on the "J-L" list, as it borders Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, and the Republic of Macedonia.--Arbër (Let's Talk) 11:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

In addition, I also changed the countries that Albanian borders to: I removed "Serbia" and replaced it with "Kosovo".--Arbër (Let's Talk) 11:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Botswana / Namibia / Zambia / Zimbabwe quadripoint[edit]

I believe that it is very possible that there may be a quadripoint existing in the border among these countries, depending ultimately upon what the legal definition of the border is. If this is the case, then the Botswana/Zambia border should be zero length, and there should also be a Namibia/Zimbabwe border, also of zero length. See the Wikipedia articles for Kasane, Botswana and Kazungula, Zambia, as well as the Caprivi Strip article. Backspace (talk) 19:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

In theory, a zero length border means that a border does not exist between opposite countries. According to the CIA world fact book on Zambia, the border between Botswana and Zambia, if exist, is undelimited. The entry does not list Botswana as a neighbour country, however. See transnational issue for Zambia: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/za.html . If such a border exist, there would be no quadripoint. The Kazungula article says Bostwana fronts 1.6km of the Zambezi, which means the distance between the corners of Zimbabwe and Nambia is 1.6km apart. --Kvasir (talk) 21:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal from article on Longest border[edit]

The Longest border (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) seems to contain an assertion that is incompatible with the facts in this article. I am not sure it is necessary. Deletion was proposed once before but didn't go through. I can't see why one would have a separate article and one that seems to contain inaccurate information. The fact about the longest shared border could be highlighted in this list. --Matilda talk 22:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Given no reaction, I propose to action the merger --Matilda talk 04:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Agreed to the merger. Only a few lines need to be highlighted to show the longest border. (WannabeAmatureHistorian (talk) 02:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC))

Sortable table[edit]

Instead of having the redundant section on List of countries and territories by length of land borders, we can combine all the sectionised tables to make one big table that can have customisable sorting by name, border length, and number of neighbours by the reader. --Kvasir (talk) 21:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

This doesn't work very well, since sorting does not understand the numbers as numbers, but rather each digit together So, after the 0s it starts with Israel at 1017 - the "lowest" number that starts with 1 - and ends with Burundi at 974! Rendsburg (talk) 03:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of countries by number of neighbouring countries[edit]

Now that this table is sortable, the separate page for number of neighbouring countries is redundant. --Lasunncty (talk) 23:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed this article contains all the needed data, although a note column might be worth adding (like on that other page). Also at some stage it would be good if all the flags were added but thats not too important. This list is also far better as it includes overseas territories on their own, rather than on that page where it says UK borders spain lol. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

New Discussion[edit]

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 12:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Bahrain/Saudi Arabia[edit]

These two countries appear to have a short 200m border on an artificial island in the King Fahd Causeway, but this isn't mentioned Jamie|C 21:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merger from List of land borders with dates of establishment[edit]

That page is an orphan but has years and brief context for each of the borders. Better to integrate?User:LeadSongDog come howl 15:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi LSD,
You requested a merger between List of land borders with dates of establishment and List of countries and territories by land borders. It's a nice idea, but both articles are very long. Isn't it better to keep these articles seperated? An alternative is to create a whole bunch of articles linked on the latter article, so you can see the history of all borders from one country very easily. But, the info is very subjective and will probably lead to a lot of conflicts. There was one already on the formation of the Bulgarian-Rumanian borders, which relativised the creation of this border, something which can be repeated a lot of times.Daanschr (talk) 17:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Moved Daanschr's comment above to this page (where it belongs) from my talkpage.
I'd be sympathetic to eventually having a distinct article for each international border, though that would be a hefty undertaking. An intermediate option would be to break it down to subarticles by continent, though there will undoubtedly be a few disputes on the Europe/Asia and on the Africa/Asia divide relating to countries seen to span two continents. Choosing (in advance) underlying principles to guide the choices could help minimise the disputes. User:LeadSongDog come howl 18:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
There is an easy solution for that, since there are hardly any borders of country between two continents. I think the Sinai is Asia, so the Israeli-Egyptian borders are in Asia. Russia is in both Europe and Asia. Only the Caucasus is a mess. I thought, they is no official borders there between Europe and Asia. The best source would be the UN.Daanschr (talk) 07:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I want to remove the merger template, if there isn't to be a merger. Of course a merger could aoccur, but merge it than.Daanschr (talk) 17:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

See WP:NODEADLINE. It takes a while to establish community intent for relatively obscure pages such as these. The function of the merger template is to draw participants into the merger discussion. So far, there's just the two of us involved, which doesn't really serve to establish concensus. User:LeadSongDog come howl 05:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment. In theory, the two pages probably should be merged. However, I think that at this stage it would probably be difficult to do so, since the table on this page is already quite full. It might be a situation where it's OK to have the two separate pages just because of the amount of content. I guess you can put me down as an oppose for now, unless someone comes up with a brilliant proposal that resolves these issues. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Oppose: The list here is quantified quite well. E.g., we know just how long the various borders are. But the Dates of Establishment list contain vague info was to where the borders are (were) and just what countries border(ed) what. Perhaps footnotes can be added to this article. But integrating the articles? Good luck! As far as the tag goes, this discussion is 8 months old. Time to remove merge tag. --S. Rich (talk) 16:42, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Indonesia and Malaysia[edit]

  • The table lists Indonesia's border with Malaysia as being 1782 km long and Malaysia's border with Indonesia as being 2019.5 km long. Now I don't know how long the border between these two countries is but I have to assume at least one of these figures is incorrect. And well beyond a reasonable margin of error. MK2 (talk) 04:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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Central African Republic: total border length[edit]

I just changed the total border length of the Central African Republic from 5203 to 5213 because that is the correct sum of the listed border lengths (797 + 1197 + 1577 + 467 + 692 + 483). However, my edit comment is incorrect because I wrote "from 5213 to 5203" while I meant the opposite (from 5203 to 5213).--178.203.194.154 (talk) 01:34, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Barak not an enclave[edit]

At the website of renowned expert, Jan Krogh (http://geosite.jankrogh.com/kyrgyzstan.htm):

"The village of Barak is located on 40°40' N 72° 46' E. It is no geographical exclave, but is surrounded by Uzbekistan in south, west and north. The use of the term "exclave" may have been a misunderstanding due to its location, relatively far from other Kyrgyz villages in the region. Another possibility is that it is referred to an ethnic exclave. Anyway as it in January 2012 still has not been found on any map it is not likely this exclave still is alive."

The mentions of Barak in the article as being an enclave should be removed.

Jeff in CA 21:07, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Abkhazia and South Ossetia[edit]

Proposal: The section on Russia should include Abkhazia and South Ossetia in italics and the number of neighbouring countries increased to 16, compare this with China's 14+2, Hong Kong and Macau in italics. --68.238.164.242 (talk) 02:12, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

France-Spain[edit]

France-Spain is not listed in the most separate segments of land borders between any two countries or territories althought there are 3: 1) Atlantic Ocean - Andorra 2) Andorra - Mediterranean Sea 3) Llivia enclave

Fixed. --Lasunncty (talk) 03:20, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Cyprus / Akrotiri and Dhekelia[edit]

Are there not four Cypriot enclaves within the territory? Two villages, then a pair of enclaves at the power plant split by an A&D road? 176.248.105.34 (talk) 17:00, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Russia / Belarussia[edit]

Russia and Belarussia border 2 times. Sankovo-Medvezhye is a Russian exclave in Belarussia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankovo-Medvezhye https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Медвежье-Саньково

In Estonia there is a Russian Dubki village. Dubki is an exclave. There is no direct land connection with Russia. border twice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubki,_Pechorsky_District,_Pskov_Oblast Stasyan117 (talk) 01:12, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

India - Sri Lanka land border in Adams Bridge[edit]

As India - Sri Lanka land border in Adams Bridge does not exist according to

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z9mpZT8Fe69k.kvU5MUxqoHVc&hl=en_US

I will edit the page accordingly if no one opposes... Luis wiki (talk) 13:11, 3 October 2015 (UTC)


India Sri Lanka Maritime Boundary Positions 1-6 (Red): Sri Lanka and India agreed on 26-28 June 1974 to the delimitation of a boundary through the "historic waters" of Palk Bay. The agreement, which came into force on 8 July 1974, has been printed in the Government of India's Notice to Mariners, Edition No. 9, Notices 133 to 156, 15 April 1975. Positions 1m-13m (Green), 1b-6b (Blue): UN Treaty 15804 between SRI LANKA and INDIA Agreement on the maritime boundary between the two coun tries in the Gulf of Mannar and the Bay of Bengal and related matters (with map). Signed at New Delhi on 23 March 1976 Supplementary Agreement to the above-mentioned Agreement on the extension of the maritime boundary be tween the two countries in the Gulf of Mannar from position 13 m to the injunction point between Sri Lanka, India and Maldives (point T) (with annexes). Signed at Colombo on 22 November 1976

It may be a water boundary at the moment, but the islands in this chain seem to come and go fairly often. Digital Globe shows that this border has been on land as recently as April last year. Not sure how we should treat this in the article, though. --Lasunncty (talk) 02:03, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

China - Macau[edit]

If the border between those two entities is included in "shortest borders", surely it should qualify for "shortest border segment"? --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 23:40, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

User:Ulkomaalainen The border between County Leitrim and County Donegal might be similarly short. Maybe those entities should be listed too? Or should I use your terminology and call it a border between Leitrim and Ireland (Donegal)? Frenchmalawi (talk) 19:28, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I may be misunderstanding what you're saying, but I am not trying to argue whether or not some border qualifies as a border for the list. However, I found it inconsistent that a border that qualifies for the list of shortest borders 'and' is short enough to also qualify for the "border segments" part, must qualify - or have a segment that qualifies - for the latter. So 'if' it is included in "shortest borders" it needs to go into "shortest border segments". Or be scrapped from "shortest borders". --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 14:13, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
I think we've both identified the same inconsistency. We are agreed. This is Wikipedia where politics runs rife. I leave it to others to tackle the substantive inconsistency. Going by the inclusion of the Chinese region of Macau, they'll be listing borders between U.S. states, UK regions, DPRK regions and Russian regions next. Frenchmalawi (talk) 14:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Wrong length given for Ireland - United Kingdom border.[edit]

The border runs for a total of 499 km (310 mi)[1][2]. The article reports a much shorter length. I will change this if no one objects. If there are objections, please let me know source for length given in the article. Frenchmalawi (talk) 19:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland, 1999
  2. ^ MFPP Working Paper No. 2, "The Creation and Consolidation of the Irish Border" by KJ Rankin and published in association with Institute for British-Irish Studies, University College Dublin and Institute for Governance, Queen's University, Belfast (also printed as IBIS working paper no. 48)

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Unique Land Borders[edit]

How is the number of unique land borders decided? For many countries (like Finland-Russia, Syria-Turkey) I can't figure out why it says there are multiple segments. Emetzold (talk) 21:53, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Cote d'Ivoire's Border Discrepancy[edit]

Discrepancy between two Wikipedia articles:

(1) "List of countries and territories by land borders"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_land_borders

Burkina Faso: 584 km (363 mi) Ghana: 668 km (415 mi) Guinea: 610 km (380 mi) Liberia: 716 km (445 mi) Mali: 532 km (331 mi)

Reference 1 =

"CIA World Factbook". April 15, 2007. Archived from the original on April 8, 2016.

http://www.ciaworldfactbook.us/africa/cote-d-ivoire.html

"Geography"

Border countries: Burkina Faso 584 km, Ghana 668 km, Guinea 610 km, Liberia 716 km, Mali 532 km

(2) "Geography of Ivory Coast"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Ivory_Coast

Liberia: 778 km (483 mi) Ghana: 720 km (450 mi) Guinea: 816 km (507 mi) Burkina Faso: 545 km (339 mi) Mali: 599 km (372 mi)

Concur with

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iv.html#

"border countries (5): Burkina Faso 545 km, Ghana 720 km, Guinea 816 km, Liberia 778 km, Mali 599 km" Fortydollars (talk) 09:31, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Links to unique border pages[edit]

If someone has a lot of spare time on their hands, the links on here could be linked to the individual border pages: Category:International borders.WisDom-UK (talk) 20:48, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Border lengths of Germany[edit]

The borders of Germany listed seem to contradict the source that is provided (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ez.html). I can't really tell why this is, so unless anyone has any objection to me doing so, I will modify these border lengths to the lengths listed in the source.
--DylanClarkWebb (talk) 16:34, 11 December 2020 (UTC)